Post by SadistSecret on Mar 10, 2005 2:29:51 GMT -5
Many people would say the Gothic lifestyle is "bad", "evil", "wrong", "and a myriad of other similar views of the lifestyle.
Before I go on, I should define, or at least attempt to define "good' and "evil". It's extremely difficult to define them because in a way, they don't tangibly exist. The concept of what is "good" and what is "evil" depends on one's own morals and veiws of the world. For instance, One person might view action/ideal X as being "good" and action/ideal Y as being "evil". Another person might view things the opposite way. So who is right? The sad answer: Neither of them are right. because it is a matter of opinion, and while they can disagree with each other, opinions are just that: opinions - ideas that can't be proved or disproved.
Because of the inability of an opinion to be proven right or wrong, Gothic people can not be classified as "evil" or "immoral" or anything like that. The people who would classify Goths as "evil and immoral" are often very narrowminded people who feel the need to label and stereotype everything in sight. We don't like being labeled as "evil", or anything like that. Hell, we don't like being labeled at all. Many of us don't worship Satan or some over inherently "evil" force. For the most part, we don't cause pain to others for our own gain unless they are willing. A good number of us are not suicidal. Yes, many of us seem unhappy, but it's closer to us not really caring about much anymore. Some of us are unhappy. Just how do those things make us "evil"? We're not "evil". Like I said, we are not "evil", because "evil" is nonexistent.
You tell me that because I, a Gothic person, do not see myself as evil, that I see myself as "good"? Wrong. Just as much as I believe "evil" is nonexistent, I also believe "good" is nonexistent.
Everyone does things for their own personal gain, and the method of personal gain depends on your views and opinions of life.
A self-centered person is generally viewed as being "evil" (although they are not because "evil" does not exist) to everyone except themselves and maybe thier friends. Thier method of personal gain involves a satisfaction of his/her own needs, and possibly of friends and loved ones.
A person who is not self-centered is generally viewed as being "good" (although they too are not because "good" is nonexistent as well) to everyone, including themselves. Thier method of personal gain involves a feeling of satisfaction from helping others first, and then fulfilling thier own needs.
These two people have conflicting views in life, and view each other as "evil", while viewing themselves as "good". This is nothing new. Look at the Cold War (between the United States and the Former USSR), for instance. Each side viewed itself and its ideals as being right, and the other wrong. Neither side was right or wrong because there is not deifinitive answer as to what was right and wrong. The same applies to those who follow the Gothic lifestyle. We cannot be "evil" because "evil" does not possess a tangible existence. That doesn't automatically make us "good", as the same philosophy applies to "good", as it also has no tangible existence.
Comments and opinions are welcome.
Before I go on, I should define, or at least attempt to define "good' and "evil". It's extremely difficult to define them because in a way, they don't tangibly exist. The concept of what is "good" and what is "evil" depends on one's own morals and veiws of the world. For instance, One person might view action/ideal X as being "good" and action/ideal Y as being "evil". Another person might view things the opposite way. So who is right? The sad answer: Neither of them are right. because it is a matter of opinion, and while they can disagree with each other, opinions are just that: opinions - ideas that can't be proved or disproved.
Because of the inability of an opinion to be proven right or wrong, Gothic people can not be classified as "evil" or "immoral" or anything like that. The people who would classify Goths as "evil and immoral" are often very narrowminded people who feel the need to label and stereotype everything in sight. We don't like being labeled as "evil", or anything like that. Hell, we don't like being labeled at all. Many of us don't worship Satan or some over inherently "evil" force. For the most part, we don't cause pain to others for our own gain unless they are willing. A good number of us are not suicidal. Yes, many of us seem unhappy, but it's closer to us not really caring about much anymore. Some of us are unhappy. Just how do those things make us "evil"? We're not "evil". Like I said, we are not "evil", because "evil" is nonexistent.
You tell me that because I, a Gothic person, do not see myself as evil, that I see myself as "good"? Wrong. Just as much as I believe "evil" is nonexistent, I also believe "good" is nonexistent.
Everyone does things for their own personal gain, and the method of personal gain depends on your views and opinions of life.
An example of the intangiblity of "good" and "evil":
A self-centered person is generally viewed as being "evil" (although they are not because "evil" does not exist) to everyone except themselves and maybe thier friends. Thier method of personal gain involves a satisfaction of his/her own needs, and possibly of friends and loved ones.
A person who is not self-centered is generally viewed as being "good" (although they too are not because "good" is nonexistent as well) to everyone, including themselves. Thier method of personal gain involves a feeling of satisfaction from helping others first, and then fulfilling thier own needs.
These two people have conflicting views in life, and view each other as "evil", while viewing themselves as "good". This is nothing new. Look at the Cold War (between the United States and the Former USSR), for instance. Each side viewed itself and its ideals as being right, and the other wrong. Neither side was right or wrong because there is not deifinitive answer as to what was right and wrong. The same applies to those who follow the Gothic lifestyle. We cannot be "evil" because "evil" does not possess a tangible existence. That doesn't automatically make us "good", as the same philosophy applies to "good", as it also has no tangible existence.
Comments and opinions are welcome.
